Sunday night games night

Well, I got down to the Sunday club again last week and while I didn't get a game, mostly as there wasn't any. However there was a few games of Magic going on in the back ground. I spent most of the time talking, aka moaning, mostly about AoS and various 40k things. I like these sort of sessions as they give a chance to blow off some steam about something with others who know what your on about, the wife just doesn't get it and the bairns just want to eat the models, well one wants to eat them, the other want to crash cars in to them. I know there are various forums and groups, but there are a lot of haters out there and things can get a little to personal for my liking, mostly the insults. Its all very childish and unnecessary, so I tend to stay away. Talking in the group though is different as you all know each other and have some respect for each others opinions and actually take the time to listen and digest the info, rather then just ignoring it and carrying on as usual.

So what was the talk? Mostly about the future of 40k, and whether it will get AoS'd or not, we were all on the not side, but I also had a bitch about Tau Interceptor and Marker Lights. General agreement was made on the Interceptor but it seems I'm on my own with Marker Lights, oh well. but there is still a general hate of Eldar, well, I say hate, it was more the fact that they are wrongly played/costed by GW. They should be either an Elite army with there current rules but point cost increase or they should keep there current points but be nerfed pretty badly. We all agreed on the first case, they should be an elite army with strong powerful units with good fire power or combat, but with few models. A unit of guardians should be able to out shoot a squad of marines but cost more type of thing. Won't happen but one can hope, I think Tau are in for some nerfing though.

As for AoS, there is also of love for it round here, mostly as a number of players are vets of the 1st edition, which apparently was very similar. There is still some split of the new models, which I've mentioned that I like but a few think there too over the top. I know that there is a lot of hate out there for AoS right now, but the game has yet to settle and were still seeing the new system evolving. Time will tell if its successful.

Dark Guardians list

Well, this is the current list for the Dark Guardians. This may change as I get more info on the Ravenwing Detachment and the use of HQ choices for it.

CAD

Interrogator - 120
Stormshield

Tactical - 70

Tactical - 70

Company Veteran - 170
Plasma pistol, Combi-plasma, stormshields

Company Veterans - 185
powerfist, combi-melta, stormshield

Command Squad - 205
Champion, Standard, powerswords, stormshields

Deathwing Strike Force

Librarian - 115
ML2, Terminator Armour

Terminator squad - 220
assault cannon

Terminator squad - 220
assault cannon

Terminator squad - 220
heavy flamer, chainfists

Ravenwing Strike Force

Chaplin - 125 **
bike, plasma pistol

Ravenwing squad - 75

Ravenwing squad - 100
powerfist

Ravenwing squad - 105
plasmaguns

**Need some confirmation I can field this as part of the Ravenwing, if not, then the three bike squads will drop in to the CAD as FA options.

Tactical ideas are as follow; Tac squads do nothing but hide and camp on objectives, bikes charge up and cause as much havoc as possible while they survive and the termies drop in at some point when needed and hopefully where they are needed, using the ravenwing units to assist in the drop. The vets and the command squad along with the interrogator will form the mainstay of the army and go hunting across the table. A simple list, but probably a bit of a glass hammer with only a few expensive units.

Emperors Disciples new list

So with the changes to the SM codex, the Emperors Disciples list will be changed slightly. One of the changes is also due to the new DA codex, as the Termies will be shifting chapter to the new Dark Guardians chapter to form part of the Deathwing force. This has opened up a few points and made me look at options. While this list is not finalised, and wont be till I get to see the new codex in full and in person, the list will not change dramatically from what is listed below.

The list-

Chapter master - 165
(Company Master Marcellus), Artificer armour, power sword

Librarian - 90
ML2

Honour Guard - 135
5 Vets,

Command Squad - 165
Champion, Apothecary, Stormshield, Standard

Sternguard - 345
10x sternguard, Combi bolters, powerfist,

Tactical - 195
10x marines, flamer, heavy bolter, Rhino with stormbolter

Tactical - 195
10x marines, flamer, heavy bolter, Rhino with stormbolter

Tactical - 195
10x marines, flamer, heavy bolter, Rhino with stormbolter

Razorback - 60
stormbolter

Razorback - 80
Stormbolter, TL Lascannon

Devastator - 170
4x missile, 4xflakk

Devastator - 200
2x plasma cannon, 2x lascannon, 5x marines

As you can see the list has changed a little, with the removal of the Termies and Dread and the inclusion of Command squad and upping the Sternguard. The Razorbacks have also moved to FA slots to give some flexibility to there deployment. The overall aim of the force has not changed, as has the way I intend on playing it, all that has really changed is what unit will be taking on what role.

AoS for 40k?

This is just a quick post to air a couple of thoughts. There have been a few posts around the place talking about 40k getting the AoS treatment. Although there has been quite a variety of suggestions as to how this will occur, from the full on AoS treatment with no points system and overly simplified rules, down to just a skinning down of the special rules. So what will happen, personally I think that it will just be a skinning down the special rules and some of the other rules in the main book, such as assault. It makes sense to skin down the special rules and make them more generic, maybe keeping the names but just attaching them to special rules in the main book. This will mean that some units and most races will loose some of their unique rules, but it will mean that there is less to learn and it becomes easier for everyone to understand the different rules of the other armies.

I don't think that the full no points treatment will happen, this is because 40k is still a very popular system and I think they will not mess with it to much for fear of driving off to many players. granted the main cash generators are the newer, younger players, but even so, vet players still have quite a presence. WHFB was a different kettle of fish entirely as it was a dying system with a dwindling pool of players and something drastic needed to be down to make it profitable. 40k is not in the same situation yet, we'll see if it ever does get there, not that I think that it will, despite what some may say.

So, I guess after all has been said and done, we'll just have to wait and see how the dust settles from AoS and whether 40k gets some of the same treatment.